The Trial of Charles Random de Berenger, Sir Thomas Cochrane Part 81

_Q._ For Mr. b.u.t.t?

_A._ Yes.

_Q._ Was Lord Cochrane in the city at that time?

_A._ Not that I know of.

_Q._ Do you know on the 15th of February of any loan made by Mr.

Smallbone to Lord Cochrane?

_A._ Yes, I do.

_Mr. Gurney._ Do you know that of your own knowledge, or how do you know that?

_A._ I know that of my own knowledge.

_Mr. Scarlett._ I believe you know that my Lord had a certain sum to make up to pay what he owed at that time?

_A._ He had.

_Q._ How much was that amount?

_A._ I am not prepared to tell you the exact amount.

_Q._ Was it between six and seven hundred pounds?

_A._ More than that.

_Q._ Do not you know that he was without the money in the City, to make it up at that time?

_A._ He was.

_Q._ How much did he borrow of Mr. Smallbone?

_A._ I cannot say exactly.

_Q._ Was it .450.?

_A._ .450. I think, was advanced by me as clerk to Mr. Smallbone.

_Lord Ellenborough._. In all .450.

_A._ In all .450.

_Q._ .250. in these bank notes?

_A._ No, .450. besides these bank notes.

_Lord Ellenborough._ The .450. is to be added to these bank notes?

_Mr. Scarlett._ The witness was not present when Mr. b.u.t.t lent the .200. I was about to shew, that besides the .450. that Mr. Smallbone lent, Lord Cochrane wanted .200. more, and that he went out to get it.

_Lord Ellenborough._ Did you see the .200. lent to Lord Cochrane?

_A._ No.

_Q._ How do you know it was lent?

_A._ Because I was told so by Lord Cochrane.

_Lord Ellenborough._ Then it comes to nothing?

_Mr. Scarlett._ He knows the fact that he wanted the .200. You advanced .450. yourself?

_A._ Yes, I did.

_Lord Ellenborough._ In gold or bank notes?

_A._ In bank notes.

_Q._ In what description of bank notes?

_A._ The money was lent in fact by Mr. Smallbone, and he made up the difference; it is not usual to pay in bank notes, and we made it up in checks; his Lords.h.i.+p had left his money at the west end of the town.

_Mr. Scarlett._ You advanced his Lords.h.i.+p .450.?

_A._ Yes.

_Q._ Was that all that he wanted, or did he want more?

_A._ No, he wanted .200. more.

_Lord Ellenborough._ This advance must all be in paper?

_Mr. Scarlett._ Yes, my Lord, it is not material to my purpose to shew how Mr. b.u.t.t made this advance to him.

_Lord Ellenborough._ If it was a loan and you rely upon it as such, you must shew in what it was?

_A._ The .450. was in a check.

_Lord Ellenborough._ Then that check must be shewn.

_Mr. Scarlett._ Mr. b.u.t.t was not present, was he?

_A._ Not that I know of.

_Q._ At what time Lord Cochrane gave these two .100. notes to Mr. b.u.t.t you do not know, do you?

_A._ No.