Second Shetland Truck System Report Part 46
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1008. You say you signed the obligation about eight years ago.
Have you ever endeavoured or wished to break through it and to obtain your liberty?-No.
1009. You have never attempted that?-No.
1010. Does that obligation bind your family as well as yourself?- Yes, if they like to do it.
1011. But in the obligation itself did you become bound that your sons as well as yourself should fish for Messrs. Hay?-Yes.
1012. Have had to pay liberty money for any of your sons?-Yes; I had to pay it for one of my sons-Robert Smith. He was two years away. One year he was with Mr. Harrison, and the year following he was with Mr. Garriock, and I paid liberty money in these years to Messrs. Hay on his account.
1013. How long ago was that?-I think it was three years ago.
1014. Then the obligation to fish applied to the Faroe fis.h.i.+ng as well as to the home fis.h.i.+ng?-Yes; to the whole fis.h.i.+ngs.
1015. Have you ever had to pay liberty money for your sons leaving the home fis.h.i.+ng and going to some other employment?- No; they never followed the home fis.h.i.+ng. They would not go to it.
1016. Then, if a man does not choose to go to the home fis.h.i.+ng at all, he is free?-Yes.
1017. But if a man does go to the home fis.h.i.+ng he is to fish for the landlord?-Yes, if he be a tenant.
1018. But he need not fish unless he likes?-No; it is only if he does fish, and if he is a person holding land, that he must fish for Messrs. Hay.
1019. Or if he is the son of a landholder, and living in his father's house?-Yes.
1020. I believe the liberty money amounts to 20s.?-Yes.
1021. When is it paid?-When we settle.
1022. Is it deducted from the amount due?-Yes.
1023. Do you know of any cases where that liberty money has been paid back by Messrs, Hay?-Yes.
1024. Was it paid back to you?-Yes; it was paid back to me for my son.
1025. Then the money you mentioned just now as having been paid by you for your son was paid back to you?-Yes; it was paid back to me afterwards.
1026. How long afterwards?-I think about a year and a half.
1027. Did you ask for it to be paid back?-Yes; I asked it over and over again before I got it. I think I asked for it two or three times, if I remember right.
1028. Did they give it back to you as a favour?-Yes.
1029. Was the amount of liberty money fixed in the obligation which you signed?-Yes.
1030. Did you get a copy of that obligation?-No.
1031. Have you been spoken to about that obligation since you signed it, and told that it was in force?-Never, except when they charged liberty money. I objected to pay it; and their answer was, that I had signed an obligation to pay it, and therefore that I was obliged to do so.
1032. Do you know any one else who has paid liberty money within the last year or two?-Yes; Andrew Laurenson paid it for his brother.
1033. Is Laurenson here?-No.
1034. Why did he have to pay it for his brother?-Because I think the father was not able, and Andrew had just to pay it.
1035. Were both the Laurensons living with their father?-No, Andrew was not living with him; he was married, and had gone away. But Robert was living with his father; and Andrew paid the money for the brother, because his father could not.
1036. Has there been any other case?-Yes; Peter Henry paid liberty money for himself about three years ago.
1037. Was Laurenson's money paid back?-Yes.
1038. After he had asked it?-I don't know if he asked it, but I know that it was paid back.
1039. Was Henry's paid back?-I don't know.
1040. Did these cases all occur about the same year?-Yes, all about the same time.
1041. Is it the case that at time you had several bad fis.h.i.+ng seasons?-Yes.
1042. And is it the case that at that time Messrs. Hay were largely in advance to the fishermen in Burra?-Yes; for some years they were largely in advance.
1043. Did they want to get the young men to go to the Faroe fis.h.i.+ng in order to get their parents out of debt: did they a.s.sign that as a reason for charging liberty money?-Yes, sometimes they did.
1044. Did they tell you, or did you understand, that these fines were required in order to induce the young men to go to the Faroe fis.h.i.+ng, and to pay off the debt due by their parents?-Yes, I understood that.
1045. Were you told that by Messrs. Hay at the time?-Yes.
1046. Are these the only cases in which such fines have been exacted, within your knowledge?-Yes.
1047. Have all the landholders since that time fished for Messrs.
Hay, to your knowledge?-Yes; they have all fished for them at the home fis.h.i.+ng.
1048. And at the Faroe fis.h.i.+ng too?-There are very few of the landholders who go to the Faroe fis.h.i.+ng.
1049. Are there many men in Burra who go to the Faroe fis.h.i.+ng?- Yes, a considerable number.
1050. But these are the younger men?-Yes; generally they are.
1051. And they are not bound in any way?-No, are not now.
1052. Do they generally s.h.i.+p with the Messrs. Hay?-Some of them do, and some do not. It is not general thing with them to do so.
1053. They can do as they like?-Yes.
1054. Can your sons do as they like in that matter, and s.h.i.+p with any person they please?-Yes.
1055. Do they go to the Faroe fis.h.i.+ng?-Yes.
1056. And you are not asked to pay liberty money for them now?-No.
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